[转帖]为什么你选择 ubuntu 而不是 windows ?

iblicf · #91

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Originally Posted by lespaul_rentals View Post
Anyone who fits the above categories is not savvy enough to use a computer. Linux, Windows, BSD, I don't care...no operating system is good for them.

I agree. But my point was mainly that anti-malware "protection" doesn't really do them any good.
我同意，不过我主要的意思是，反流氓软件 "保护" 并不真正的那么有效

iblicf · #92

92#boast
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Originally Posted by aysiu View Post
Everyone I know (co-workers and friends) who has gotten any kind of malware has had a firewall and anti-virus protection and anti-spyware protection.
我认识的人（同事，朋友），中了流氓软件的都有防火墙，防病毒保护，反间谍保护。

they needed a HIPS
他们需要一个 HIPS

HIPS ( Host Intrusion Prevent System ) 主机入侵防御系统

iblicf · #93

93#lespaul_rentals
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I agree. But my point was mainly that anti-malware "protection" doesn't really do them any good.

This is true.
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iblicf · #94

94#money2themax
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Originally Posted by tehet View Post
Yeah, but "For the average desktop user" that's really difficult! "For a power user" unlike me it's great!

Windows is like opening up the hood of your car. Don't you want to know how your car works on the inside? Well, most people (such as me) don't care about such things, they just want to surf the web and go somewhere. Windows, on the other hand, is about opening the registry and tinkering with your mechanical parts, checking the firewall and virusscanner updates, and maybe blocking a WGA patch.

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i disagree the hood is welded shut you can't look at it's parts the source code is its parts every thing else it a tool
我不同意，引擎盖被焊死了你不能看到它的内部，源代码才是，其他东西都是工具

iblicf · #95

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For me, Ubuntu recognizes more hardware out of the box. Each time I do a fresh install of XP, the first things I must do is hunt my wireless card driver CD, then I gotta manually find and download my sound card drivers. Then I must manually download and install the nvidia drivers. Of course, Ubuntu has to download and install the nvidia drivers but it does that automatically without any real effort from the user.

My friend had to choose Ubuntu over Windows XP when he could no longer be hassled to reinstall XP every 30 days. But any O.S. that locks out a user from their own computer for ANY reason is unethical and not suitable for use.

The only hardware trouble he had with Ubuntu Gutsy was his wireless card, so I brought him the ndiswrapper debian packages. I noticed that the gtk frontend for ndiswrapper doesn't seem to work. And when I used the command-line tool, it didn't automatically modprobe the ndiswrapper kernel module. So I had to do "sudo modprobe ndiswrapper" and add the word "ndiswrapper" to /etc/modules. (I'm just stating that in case anyone else is having the same issue.)

But on topic, I like the design of Ubuntu much more than Windows XP. I mean, the Windows 9x series was just horrible with security, and while Windows NT tried to change that and add some multi-user POSIX stuff to Windows, it seems more like a cheap hack more than anything. No Windows application developer seems to know how to write applications that do not require Admin priveleges. No user seems to have enough common sense to set up a non-Admin account for everyday use. Even when I tell people to do that they ignore my advice and then whine about getting a virus.

But Ubuntu is a true mult-user system, not a cheap fix for an ugly insecure shell that was originally written for some insecure single-user single-task OS.

EDIT: I noticed that somewhere in this thread someone mentioned Flash player freezing in Firefox. This is indeed the fault of Adobe and an example of the problems with proprietary software (Flash player). It is closed-source so no one in the community can apply any bug fixes or examine the source code for security problems and other issues. Some might argue and say that it is a Firefox problem because it doesn't do this in Konqueror. But the only reason that Konqueror doesn't crash from it is because AFAIK Konqueror launches a separate process for plugins like that.

对于我来说，ubuntu 装好就认出大多数硬件 . 每次我重新安装 xp . 第一件事就是放进我无线网卡的驱动CD, 然后手动的寻找、下载声卡驱动，然后我必须再手动寻找、下载 nvidia 驱动，当然，ubuntu 也下载安装nvidia驱动，但是它是自动完成的不需要用户干预，它看起来比任何东西都更象 cheap-hacke

我跟我的朋友选择 ubuntu代替windows , 从此不用在受到30天重装一次的折磨，任何操作系统限制他们的用户都是不道德的，也不适合使用

ubuntu Gutsy 唯一遇到的麻烦是无线卡，所以我找了 ndiswrapper debian 包，....

不过就这个话题，相比 windows 的设计，我更喜欢 ubuntu . 我的意思，win95 系列安全性太糟糕了，等到winNT 试图改变它，加入了一些多用户的 POSIX 兼容的部分，看起来比任何其他的东西都更象'cheap-hacke' . 似乎没有windows 开发者知道怎么写一个不需要管理员权限的程序，没有用户看起来有设置每天用的非管理员账户常识，甚至我告诉人们怎么做，在感染病毒之前也总被忽视。

ubuntu 是真正的多用户系统，不是 'cheap fix'(简单的修复) 丑陋不安全的shell ,那些通常给不安全的单用户，单任务的操作系统写的

我注意到有人提到 ff 中 flash player 冻结，这个实际上是 adobe 的错误 -一个专有软件的例子, 它是闭源的所以社区没法提供bug 修复，或者检查代码的安全问题，有人可能会争辩是 firefox的问题，因为 Konqueror没问题，但是唯一的原因 Konqueror 不崩溃是因为 AFAIK Konqueror 发起了一个单独的进程处理这样的插件

POSIX
可移植操作系统接口（Portable Operating System Interface ，缩写为 POSIX 是为了读音更像 UNIX）。电气和电子工程师协会（Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers，IEEE）最初开发 POSIX 标准，是为了提高 UNIX 环境下应用程序的可移植性。然而，POSIX 并不局限于 UNIX。许多其它的操作系统，例如 DEC OpenVMS 和 Microsoft Windows NT，都支持 POSIX 标准，尤其是 IEEE Std. 1003.1-1990（1995 年修订）或 POSIX.1，POSIX.1 提供了源代码级别的 C 语言应用编程接口（API）给操作系统的服务程序，例如读写文件。POSIX.1 已经被国际标准化组织（International Standards Organization，ISO）所接受，被命名为 ISO/IEC 9945-1:1990 标准。

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iblicf · #96

96#tiachopvutru
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I like the "feel" of Ubuntu more..

Wonder if that's even a reason....

我更多喜欢 ubuntu 的"感觉"
不知道这算不算原因 ...

iblicf · #97

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Originally Posted by lespaul_rentals View Post
Linux is like opening up the hood of your car. Don't you want to know how your car works on the inside? Well, most people (such as the threadstarter) don't care about such things, they just want to push on the gas pedal and go somewhere. Linux, on the other hand, is about opening the hood and tinkering with your mechanical parts, checking the oil and transmission fluid levels, and maybe replacing a fan belt.

A lot of this, though, comes down to the fact that Windows is pre-installed on the vast majority of PCs which are configured - in the factory - to run Windows. If more PC manufacturers start to pre-install Ubuntu - or any other Linux distro - and make hardware choices accordingly, there will be less and less need to look under the hood.

纵然大部分原因，事实上windows 是预装在大量的PCs上，工厂里配置好了，-运行windows . 如果更多的PC 制造商开始预装 ubuntu -或者其他linux 发行版，然后使得硬件厂商做响应的选择，那样的话会越来越少的需要"打开引擎盖"
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iblicf · #98

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I was quite happy running XP on one computer and Mandriva on another (oldie), until... I was stupid to upgrade to Vista. Apart from the hardware problems (soundcard, webcam), it is ssslllloooooowwwww. I tried installing Mandriva, but again soundcard roblems, Mandriva didn't even start and I wasn't aware that the soundcard was the problem. (K)Ubuntu did start, showed my the problem and after installing some additional Alsa-stuff it works fine. Although there is a flaw in the ATI-driver. I still have dual boot for Photoshop and my printer (canon Pixma iP5000), the latter does print high quality with TurboPrint, but the program is too clumbersome.

I do like the new explorer in Vista, having BIG thumbnails of all pictures an be able to go through them quickly, but...

By default I boot Kubuntu and I hardly ever boot Vista. Kubuntu is fast, Kubuntu doesn't have problems with virii, etc.

我很 happy 运行xp 在一台电脑，Mandriva 在另一台（老一点），直到我愚蠢的升级到vista . 除了硬件问题（声卡，摄像头），它太慢了，
我试着装Mandriva , 但是声卡还是有问题，Mandriva 甚至不能启动，而且我不认为是声卡的问题，Kubuntu 能启动，。。。

我的确喜欢vista 新的浏览器，...

( 因为某次不愉快的安装经历就... !@#$% )

iblicf · #99

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I use both. People cannot use Linux (and any other operating systems except Windows) with no obstacle in South Korea.
When I try to use internet banking or e.government, I must download active x controls for security purpose those can be implemented in other technologies. But there's no option for this.
Fortunately, there is a good effort to fix this.

The reason why I choose Ubuntu? That's simple. Ubuntu is good, easy and stable.

我两个都用，在韩国人们不能没阻碍的用linux ( 任何其他操作系统除了windows )
当我要用网银，或者e.government , 为了安全目的必须下载 Active X 控件，。。。。

幸运的是，正在努力的改善 .
我选择ubuntu的原因？很简单，ubuntu 好用，简单，稳定

iblicf · #100

100#lespaul_rentals
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Originally Posted by ExpatPaul View Post
A lot of this, though, comes down to the fact that Windows is pre-installed on the vast majority of PCs which are configured - in the factory - to run Windows. If more PC manufacturers start to pre-install Ubuntu - or any other Linux distro - and make hardware choices accordingly, there will be less and less need to look under the hood.

This is correct. I think if companies like Dell start distributing Ubuntu with good hardware for Linux, there will be fewer and fewer problems and times you have to "look under the hood." However, this will bring about yet another generation of idiot computer users, ones that don't even care about how their computers work. The difference is, Windows was designed for the idiots so they wouldn't have to learn. Linux was designed for the advanced users, or the idiots who do want to learn. If we have a bunch of noobs moving over to Linux, I predict there will be problems.

正确，我想如果象Dell那样的公司开始装配（linux）硬件支持良好的ubuntu 系统，肯定越来越少的人花时间看"引擎盖子下边的东西"。然而，这也会造就另一代白痴计算机用户，那些人根本不关心电脑怎么工作，不同的是，windows 是给那些不需要学的人设计的，liux 是给高级用户设计的，或者想要学的白痴，如果有大量的新手换用linux , 我预感这也会是个问题
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iblicf · #101

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Originally Posted by SunnyRabbiera View Post
windows functional?

look just because your experience was bad doesnt mean linux is inferior, maybe you should try another linux flavor?

I agree with this sentiment..If I had $100.00 for every time Ive said that to someone.
I used to be a Linspire/Freespire user and now use Klikit Linux...
There are lots of wonderful distros out there and before giving up,I would strongly advise you try them.

Now,as to the Firefox freezing when you run streaming video this is NOT a problem in Klikit Linux...I do not know how Chris fixed this,but he did.

Ubuntu is not for everyone...Different strokes for different folks, as they say.

ubuntu 不适合所有人，萝卜白菜，就象他们说的

In many ways,I. find Linux to be way more intuitive and user-friendly than Windows ever was..I can tweak to my hearts content and if I really mess something up,a reinstall takes less than a half hour and I don't have to contact the mother ship and beg permission to reinstall and I don't have to re-purchase Linux after X number of installs...I don't have to re-purchase it at all!
Except for some games and playing DVD's (yup,not overcome that hurdle yet) I can do anything with Klikit that a Windows user can with their buggy,virus craving OS.
Or at least anything I want to do.
So don't be so quick to discount Linux..it's a very powerful OS and I find it superior to Windows..So there you have it,my rant for the day..

iblicf · #102

102#Envergure
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I always liked Windows until I tried to learn Microsoft's APIs. That was it.
Now "Microsoft Works" is more of an oxymoron for me than an office suite .

我一直挺喜欢 windows 直到我试图去学习 microsoft APIs , 过去是这样 ...

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iblicf · #103

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Why I chose Linux (sorry, Debian) over Windows?

With Windows, it takes less tweaking but you never get exactly what you want.

With Debian, I have to tweak stuff a lot, but I also learn a lot in the process, and the result is welll worth it.

Plus, Awn AWNS navigation and I still don't know why Microsoft doesn't get rid of Notepad.
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我为什么选 linux (对不起，是debian ) ..?

windows 是调整（余地）比较少，但是你不能完全得到你所要的
Debian , 我不得不做一些调整，但是这个过程中我也学到不少东西，结论是值得的 .
另外，awn AWNs 导航条，我一直搞不懂为什么微软还不抛弃记事本 (notepad)

iblicf · #104

104#boast
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everyone hear seems to talk about tweaks and mods.

What do you speak of exactly? I must be out of the loop. (well, unless you guys are programmers, than nm )

这里每个人听起来都象在谈论调整和模块 ?
确切的说，你们为什么谈论这些？我必须跳出这个循环。（好吧，除非你们这些人都是程序员，不象我）

iblicf · #105

105#jeffus_il
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1. You can't beat the price of Ubuntu.
1. 你没法跟 ubuntu 的价格比(免费)
2. It's built like an OS should be, has a kernel, is always used multiuser, all windows users I have seen are always admins, otherwise you can't do anything.
2. 她做的就象一个操作系统应该做的那样，一个内核，多用户，我看到所有的windows 用户都用 admins账户，否则你什么也做不了
3. I can always fix Linux using a live CD, I can access and change any file , no matter how bad I messed it up.
3. 我总是可以用 live-CD 修复 linux , 我可以访问修改我的文件，不管我弄的有多乱
4. Things happen in Linux, by natural supply and demand, because of the great multinational community who contribute from their hearts.
4. linux 发生了很多事情，基于原生的支持和需求，因为那些伟大的跨国公司从内部做出贡献（IBM HP）
5. We don't have to accept what the monopolistic giant in Seattle dictates, You have a lower risk, having the possibility of reading all the code on your machine.
5. 我们不用接受那个西雅图的垄断巨人(MS)发号施令，低风险，有机会阅读所有你机器上的代码
6. I have never had a virus or spy ware on Linux.
6. linux上我从来没有过病毒，间谍软件
7. Linux breaks down borders through international cooperation.
7. linux 打破了国际合作的边界
8. You can tailor it to your needs, you only install what you need.
8. 你可以调整她到你的要求，你只需安装你要的东西
9. It's easier to install Ubuntu than Windows
9. ubuntu 安装比 windows 容易
10. I don't have to buy software to play a DVD
10. 我不用买个软件去放 DVD

Any many more reasons
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