如果你不用原来的那个号 njayong .过几天我就封了你...njayong080127 写了：即使我回答了上千个问题，只要说一句Linux在某些方面不如windows，马上就被封号，所以我都不想回答问题了
另外说的是
高手不必回答小问题.什么一定要高手来________能回答的未必是高手......感觉我也能回答不少....
我对高手不回复简单问题的质疑！以及对各位的建议！
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skyx
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In Web forums, you may also be told to search the forum archives. In fact, someone may even be so kind as to provide a pointer to the previous thread where this problem was solved. But do not rely on this consideration; do your archive-searching before asking.
Often, the person telling you to do a search has the manual or the web page with the information you need open, and is looking at it as he or she types. These replies mean that he thinks (a) the information you need is easy to find, and (b) you will learn more if you seek out the information than if you have it spoon-fed to you.
You shouldn't be offended by this; by hacker standards, your respondent is showing you a rough kind of respect simply by not ignoring you. You should instead be thankful for this grandmotherly kindness.
If you don't understand...
If you don't understand the answer, do not immediately bounce back a demand for clarification. Use the same tools that you used to try and answer your original question (manuals, FAQs, the Web, skilled friends) to understand the answer. Then, if you still need to ask for clarification, exhibit what you have learned.
For example, suppose I tell you: “It sounds like you've got a stuck zentry; you'll need to clear it.” Then: here's a bad followup question: “What's a zentry?” Here's a good followup question: “OK, I read the man page and zentries are only mentioned under the -z and -p switches. Neither of them says anything about clearing zentries. Is it one of these or am I missing something here?”
Dealing with rudeness
Much of what looks like rudeness in hacker circles is not intended to give offense. Rather, it's the product of the direct, cut-through-the-bullshit communications style that is natural to people who are more concerned about solving problems than making others feel warm and fuzzy.
When you perceive rudeness, try to react calmly. If someone is really acting out, it is very likely a senior person on the list or newsgroup or forum will call him or her on it. If that doesn't happen and you lose your temper, it is likely that the person you lose it at was behaving within the hacker community's norms and you will be considered at fault. This will hurt your chances of getting the information or help you want.
On the other hand, you will occasionally run across rudeness and posturing that is quite gratuitous. The flip-side of the above is that it is acceptable form to slam real offenders quite hard, dissecting their misbehavior with a sharp verbal scalpel. Be very, very sure of your ground before you try this, however. The line between correcting an incivility and starting a pointless flamewar is thin enough that hackers themselves not infrequently blunder across it; if you are a newbie or an outsider, your chances of avoiding such a blunder are low. If you're after information rather than entertainment, it's better to keep your fingers off the keyboard than to risk this.
(Some people assert that many hackers have a mild form of autism or Asperger's Syndrome, and are actually missing some of the brain circuitry that lubricates “normal” human social interaction. This may or may not be true. If you are not a hacker yourself, it may help you cope with our eccentricities if you think of us as being brain-damaged. Go right ahead. We won't care; we like being whatever it is we are, and generally have a healthy skepticism about clinical labels.)
In the next section, we'll talk about a different issue; the kind of “rudeness” you'll see when you misbehave.
On Not Reacting Like A Loser
Odds are you'll screw up a few times on hacker community forums — in ways detailed in this article, or similar. And you'll be told exactly how you screwed up, possibly with colourful asides. In public.
When this happens, the worst thing you can do is whine about the experience, claim to have been verbally assaulted, demand apologies, scream, hold your breath, threaten lawsuits, complain to people's employers, leave the toilet seat up, etc. Instead, here's what you do:
Get over it. It's normal. In fact, it's healthy and appropriate.
Community standards do not maintain themselves: They're maintained by people actively applying them, visibly, in public. Don't whine that all criticism should have been conveyed via private e-mail: That's not how it works. Nor is it useful to insist you've been personally insulted when someone comments that one of your claims was wrong, or that his views differ. Those are loser attitudes.
There have been hacker forums where, out of some misguided sense of hyper-courtesy, participants are banned from posting any fault-finding with another's posts, and told “Don't say anything if you're unwilling to help the user.” The resulting departure of clueful participants to elsewhere causes them to descend into meaningless babble and become useless as technical forums.
Exaggeratedly “friendly” (in that fashion) or useful: Pick one.
Remember: When that hacker tells you that you've screwed up, and (no matter how gruffly) tells you not to do it again, he's acting out of concern for (1) you and (2) his community. It would be much easier for him to ignore you and filter you out of his life. If you can't manage to be grateful, at least have a little dignity, don't whine, and don't expect to be treated like a fragile doll just because you're a newcomer with a theatrically hypersensitive soul and delusions of entitlement.
Sometimes people will attack you personally, flame without an apparent reason, etc., even if you don't screw up (or have only screwed up in their imagination). In this case, complaining is the way to really screw up.
These flamers are either lamers who don't have a clue but believe themselves to be experts, or would-be psychologists testing whether you'll screw up. The other readers either ignore them, or find ways to deal with them on their own. The flamers' behavior creates problems for themselves, which don't have to concern you.
Don't let yourself be drawn into a flamewar, either. Most flames are best ignored — after you've checked whether they are really flames, not pointers to the ways in which you have screwed up, and not cleverly ciphered answers to your real question (this happens as well).
Often, the person telling you to do a search has the manual or the web page with the information you need open, and is looking at it as he or she types. These replies mean that he thinks (a) the information you need is easy to find, and (b) you will learn more if you seek out the information than if you have it spoon-fed to you.
You shouldn't be offended by this; by hacker standards, your respondent is showing you a rough kind of respect simply by not ignoring you. You should instead be thankful for this grandmotherly kindness.
If you don't understand...
If you don't understand the answer, do not immediately bounce back a demand for clarification. Use the same tools that you used to try and answer your original question (manuals, FAQs, the Web, skilled friends) to understand the answer. Then, if you still need to ask for clarification, exhibit what you have learned.
For example, suppose I tell you: “It sounds like you've got a stuck zentry; you'll need to clear it.” Then: here's a bad followup question: “What's a zentry?” Here's a good followup question: “OK, I read the man page and zentries are only mentioned under the -z and -p switches. Neither of them says anything about clearing zentries. Is it one of these or am I missing something here?”
Dealing with rudeness
Much of what looks like rudeness in hacker circles is not intended to give offense. Rather, it's the product of the direct, cut-through-the-bullshit communications style that is natural to people who are more concerned about solving problems than making others feel warm and fuzzy.
When you perceive rudeness, try to react calmly. If someone is really acting out, it is very likely a senior person on the list or newsgroup or forum will call him or her on it. If that doesn't happen and you lose your temper, it is likely that the person you lose it at was behaving within the hacker community's norms and you will be considered at fault. This will hurt your chances of getting the information or help you want.
On the other hand, you will occasionally run across rudeness and posturing that is quite gratuitous. The flip-side of the above is that it is acceptable form to slam real offenders quite hard, dissecting their misbehavior with a sharp verbal scalpel. Be very, very sure of your ground before you try this, however. The line between correcting an incivility and starting a pointless flamewar is thin enough that hackers themselves not infrequently blunder across it; if you are a newbie or an outsider, your chances of avoiding such a blunder are low. If you're after information rather than entertainment, it's better to keep your fingers off the keyboard than to risk this.
(Some people assert that many hackers have a mild form of autism or Asperger's Syndrome, and are actually missing some of the brain circuitry that lubricates “normal” human social interaction. This may or may not be true. If you are not a hacker yourself, it may help you cope with our eccentricities if you think of us as being brain-damaged. Go right ahead. We won't care; we like being whatever it is we are, and generally have a healthy skepticism about clinical labels.)
In the next section, we'll talk about a different issue; the kind of “rudeness” you'll see when you misbehave.
On Not Reacting Like A Loser
Odds are you'll screw up a few times on hacker community forums — in ways detailed in this article, or similar. And you'll be told exactly how you screwed up, possibly with colourful asides. In public.
When this happens, the worst thing you can do is whine about the experience, claim to have been verbally assaulted, demand apologies, scream, hold your breath, threaten lawsuits, complain to people's employers, leave the toilet seat up, etc. Instead, here's what you do:
Get over it. It's normal. In fact, it's healthy and appropriate.
Community standards do not maintain themselves: They're maintained by people actively applying them, visibly, in public. Don't whine that all criticism should have been conveyed via private e-mail: That's not how it works. Nor is it useful to insist you've been personally insulted when someone comments that one of your claims was wrong, or that his views differ. Those are loser attitudes.
There have been hacker forums where, out of some misguided sense of hyper-courtesy, participants are banned from posting any fault-finding with another's posts, and told “Don't say anything if you're unwilling to help the user.” The resulting departure of clueful participants to elsewhere causes them to descend into meaningless babble and become useless as technical forums.
Exaggeratedly “friendly” (in that fashion) or useful: Pick one.
Remember: When that hacker tells you that you've screwed up, and (no matter how gruffly) tells you not to do it again, he's acting out of concern for (1) you and (2) his community. It would be much easier for him to ignore you and filter you out of his life. If you can't manage to be grateful, at least have a little dignity, don't whine, and don't expect to be treated like a fragile doll just because you're a newcomer with a theatrically hypersensitive soul and delusions of entitlement.
Sometimes people will attack you personally, flame without an apparent reason, etc., even if you don't screw up (or have only screwed up in their imagination). In this case, complaining is the way to really screw up.
These flamers are either lamers who don't have a clue but believe themselves to be experts, or would-be psychologists testing whether you'll screw up. The other readers either ignore them, or find ways to deal with them on their own. The flamers' behavior creates problems for themselves, which don't have to concern you.
Don't let yourself be drawn into a flamewar, either. Most flames are best ignored — after you've checked whether they are really flames, not pointers to the ways in which you have screwed up, and not cleverly ciphered answers to your real question (this happens as well).
no security measure is worth anything if an attacker has physical access to the machine
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dakai
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楼上的，你发这种帖难道以为“我”这种“只会发帖提问，问题语焉不详，不知可以搜索，不会如何搜索，只想最快得到一个答案”的人会去看，去思考吗？skyx 写了：In Web forums, you may also be told to search the forum archives. In fact, someone may even be so kind as to provide a pointer to the previous thread where this problem was solved. But do not rely on this consideration; do your archive-searching before asking.
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不，“我”不会的
“我”只会把论坛当作一个“用来提问解决自己问题“的工具，论坛的灵魂是“获取帮助”
“我”不认为论坛是一个“思想／智慧interactive的group"，论坛的灵魂是“交流”
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yiding_he
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It would be much easier for him to ignore you and filter you out of his life. If you can't manage to be grateful, at least have a little dignity, don't whine, and don't expect to be treated like a fragile doll just because you're a newcomer with a theatrically hypersensitive soul and delusions of entitlement.
你是自由的。别人也是。
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ubblt
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这个问题，我觉得也不是什么大问题。换个方式发问可能会好一些？或者干脆就先搜索一下论坛。自己是来学东西的，能有人指点当然是好事，如果一时没有人帮助，也别灰心，慢慢来嘛。
其实搜索实在是需要些技巧的，关键字的选择很重要。你肯定比我更会使用搜索引擎，我只是分享一下自己的经验。
使用搜索的时候，尽量避免输入过多的字，最好不要是很长的一句话，对于常见问题，一般问的人也多，这个时候关键字的选择就很容易。比如我想找关于如何中文化ubuntu，我可以输入“中文 ubuntu”或者“中文化”或者“中文”。又例如，我想知道如何装ATI驱动，我就可以输入“驱动安装”“ATI驱动”“A卡驱动”。如果我的想了解一下grub，我就可以输入“什么是grub”“grub教程”“设置grub”“grub配置”等。如果我是初学者，新手，我就输入“新手教程”“初学者教程”等。其实选择合适的关键字就可以很轻松的找到自己需要东西，剩下的问题就是自己细心的在结果中找，然后仔细的看看别人到底是怎么把问题解决的。如果学到学习的方法，就很好了。
另外，搜索引擎包括论坛搜索还可以这么用。例如，我前几天看到一个帖子“推荐一个引擎 Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine"，很不错。现在想再看看，可是当时没有收藏，一页一页的翻论坛又太慢，那个桌面引擎的英文又记不住，我就在搜索里输入“推荐 引擎”因为我大致记得这个帖子的题目的内容。这样我就很容易找到这个帖子了。
呵呵，还是那句话，你肯定比我更会使用搜索引擎，我只是分享一下自己的经验，见笑了。
其实搜索实在是需要些技巧的，关键字的选择很重要。你肯定比我更会使用搜索引擎，我只是分享一下自己的经验。
使用搜索的时候，尽量避免输入过多的字，最好不要是很长的一句话，对于常见问题，一般问的人也多，这个时候关键字的选择就很容易。比如我想找关于如何中文化ubuntu，我可以输入“中文 ubuntu”或者“中文化”或者“中文”。又例如，我想知道如何装ATI驱动，我就可以输入“驱动安装”“ATI驱动”“A卡驱动”。如果我的想了解一下grub，我就可以输入“什么是grub”“grub教程”“设置grub”“grub配置”等。如果我是初学者，新手，我就输入“新手教程”“初学者教程”等。其实选择合适的关键字就可以很轻松的找到自己需要东西，剩下的问题就是自己细心的在结果中找，然后仔细的看看别人到底是怎么把问题解决的。如果学到学习的方法，就很好了。
另外，搜索引擎包括论坛搜索还可以这么用。例如，我前几天看到一个帖子“推荐一个引擎 Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine"，很不错。现在想再看看，可是当时没有收藏，一页一页的翻论坛又太慢，那个桌面引擎的英文又记不住，我就在搜索里输入“推荐 引擎”因为我大致记得这个帖子的题目的内容。这样我就很容易找到这个帖子了。
呵呵，还是那句话，你肯定比我更会使用搜索引擎，我只是分享一下自己的经验，见笑了。
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wangwentao24
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vvoody
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zhong
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打几字告诉你去那里搜索已经很好了.知道以前最常见是那句吗"先去看文档"
谁没个学习过程.动不动就来个我是新手什么的.最讨厌.互联网上啥都有.只是你找不到或想不到的.
就像2楼所说.有没有兴趣继续学.没人会鸟你.
很多论坛都善意提醒新人.有问题最好先搜索一下论坛再提问.因为很多问题都出现过已经有人给出过答案.
不信的..自己去查看一下其它版区统计一下就知道了.那些问题.不断被重复问来问去.
还以为是5,6年前Linux刚刚在中国兴起没多少中文文档的年代吗?.还是中小学生吗?啥东东都要老师来教.去问吗?
首先学会自己动手解决问题或寻找答案.而不是一有问题就去问.或许你觉得这样省时不费脑.但请记住这样你是在浪费别人的时间.
楼上某位说得对...很多人都习惯填鸭式教育了
谁没个学习过程.动不动就来个我是新手什么的.最讨厌.互联网上啥都有.只是你找不到或想不到的.
就像2楼所说.有没有兴趣继续学.没人会鸟你.
很多论坛都善意提醒新人.有问题最好先搜索一下论坛再提问.因为很多问题都出现过已经有人给出过答案.
不信的..自己去查看一下其它版区统计一下就知道了.那些问题.不断被重复问来问去.
还以为是5,6年前Linux刚刚在中国兴起没多少中文文档的年代吗?.还是中小学生吗?啥东东都要老师来教.去问吗?
首先学会自己动手解决问题或寻找答案.而不是一有问题就去问.或许你觉得这样省时不费脑.但请记住这样你是在浪费别人的时间.
楼上某位说得对...很多人都习惯填鸭式教育了
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zhong
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那你最少也要知道如何用更好的方法来利用论坛获得帮助..而不是浪费别人时间.dakai 写了：楼上的，你发这种帖难道以为“我”这种“只会发帖提问，问题语焉不详，不知可以搜索，不会如何搜索，只想最快得到一个答案”的人会去看，去思考吗？skyx 写了：In Web forums, you may also be told to search the forum archives. In fact, someone may even be so kind as to provide a pointer to the previous thread where this problem was solved. But do not rely on this consideration; do your archive-searching before asking.
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不，“我”不会的
“我”只会把论坛当作一个“用来提问解决自己问题“的工具，论坛的灵魂是“获取帮助”
“我”不认为论坛是一个“思想／智慧interactive的group"，论坛的灵魂是“交流”
你所说的"论坛的灵魂是“交流”"...就是说论坛只是用来吹水的
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oliver
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我觉得"高手"能够回复“请Google之"之类的字眼已经够意思了，至少告诉你你的答案网上已经有解。论坛往往不是“百度知道"形式的地方，百度知道上有很多完全一样的问题被问过n编还是有人不厌其烦的复制粘贴同样的答案。另外“高手”也不是万能的，你遇到的问题“高手”毕竟没有你遇到问题的环境也有可能帮不上忙。所以问问题前先搜索一下至少明显有解的问题再来问就说不过去了，如果有解但是那个答案很难搜索到。那么“高手”能够帖个答案来源就很到位了。
“高手”是人，精力是有限的。——我的理解。
所以问题得到了解答，标明“已解决”之类的字眼也好帮助后来者。
P.S.计算机对于很多人只是工具而已，不管是Windows还是Linux折腾遇到的问题可能都无法通过网络为媒介得到解决。用好Google在很多方面都会让你收益。例如intitle,site之类帮助的简单搜索语法帮助会很大。
“高手”是人，精力是有限的。——我的理解。
所以问题得到了解答，标明“已解决”之类的字眼也好帮助后来者。
P.S.计算机对于很多人只是工具而已，不管是Windows还是Linux折腾遇到的问题可能都无法通过网络为媒介得到解决。用好Google在很多方面都会让你收益。例如intitle,site之类帮助的简单搜索语法帮助会很大。
我的网志： http://feed.fenglu.name/
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bearscafe
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说得非常好，论坛不是“百度知道”。oliver 写了：我觉得"高手"能够回复“请Google之"之类的字眼已经够意思了，至少告诉你你的答案网上已经有解。论坛往往不是“百度知道"形式的地方，百度知道上有很多完全一样的问题被问过n编还是有人不厌其烦的复制粘贴同样的答案。另外“高手”也不是万能的，你遇到的问题“高手”毕竟没有你遇到问题的环境也有可能帮不上忙。所以问问题前先搜索一下至少明显有解的问题再来问就说不过去了，如果有解但是那个答案很难搜索到。那么“高手”能够帖个答案来源就很到位了。
“高手”是人，精力是有限的。——我的理解。
所以问题得到了解答，标明“已解决”之类的字眼也好帮助后来者。
P.S.计算机对于很多人只是工具而已，不管是Windows还是Linux折腾遇到的问题可能都无法通过网络为媒介得到解决。用好Google在很多方面都会让你收益。例如intitle,site之类帮助的简单搜索语法帮助会很大。