Google.cn即将停止运营

[陽光院景仁]

那些一提到美國或是甚麼日本、法國、德國、英國......就言語非常激動的人，多數是五毛黨或是所謂「腦殘」。

道理很簡單：世界上沒有無緣無故的愛，沒有無緣無故地恨。無緣無故地痛恨者，要麼是奉命行事，要麼這個仇恨來自別人的灌輸移植(就像馬戲團訓練動物)。

[zerroking]

大陸的憤青及五毛黨經常不知道一個常識：

在成熟的資本主義民主國家，只有公民尤其是大企業大財團影響甚至直接在控制政府，而不是中國這種政府影響商業。

美國在這一點上和中國也是完全相反的，在美國只有Google影響美國政府來做事的分，而不是在中國－－政府指導企業。

所以今年的1月7号，是Google施密特、Twitter杜尔希这些企业领导召唤美国政府官员希拉里·克林顿女士去开会，而不是反过来，是吗？

去年伊朗大选期间，美国政府下命令禁止Twitter网站维护以便继续提供服务，这事也是假的咯？

白宫电脑屏蔽Twitter也是假的咯？

美国企业Google要退出中国，美国企业微软不退出中国？
美国的MSN拒绝向伊朗提供服务？美国的Twitter坚持向伊朗提供服务？

控制政府？

[陽光院景仁]

聯邦和各州的政客們的競選經費從哪裡來？選票從哪裡來？哪個政客敢挑戰產經聯的力量？

美國、日本、歐洲、甚至韓國......的政治無不是深受資本勢力影響的，注意不要混淆影響和控制這兩個詞的差別，在一個比較安定的資本主義社會，單一的企業或社會組織僅能夠影響政府，而由這些企業為代表的資產階級共同利益而結成的各國產經聯(也就是大陸以前經常講的階級利益)則直接控制著政治風向。如果單一企業或組織就能直接控制政府，那就是獨裁或專制國家了。

[陽光院景仁]

近來美國的對中政策轉向並不是美國政府的某個人或某個部門突然發病，而是美國資產階級甚至中產階級的公約數意志體現，這絕不是靠中國領導人去美國跟哪個要人官員溝通溝通就能搞定的。

[zerroking]

那么我就非常不明白你的矛头是指向谁了？愤青？OR可以影响政府的GOOGLE？

[wh_xiao]

无论是baidu还是 google，谁提供事实真相我就用谁，真理万岁，自由万岁。
中国政府很独裁，这是不争的事实。

[陽光院景仁]

In my more than two decades in China, I have seldom seen the foreign business community more angry and disillusioned than it is today. Such sentiment goes beyond the Internet censorship and cyberspying that led to Google's Jan. 12 threat to bail out of China, or the clash of values (freedom vs. control) implied by the Google case. It is about the perception that antiforeign attitudes and policies in China have been growing and hardening since the global economic crisis pushed the U.S. and Europe into a tailspin and launched China to its very uncomfortable stardom on the world stage.

Visiting CEOs' banquet-table chatter is now dominated by swapping tales of arrogant and insolent Chinese bureaucrats and business partners. The litany includes purposefully inconsistent and nontransparent enforcement of regulations, rampant intellectual-property theft, state penetration of multinationals through union and Communist Party organizations, blatant market impediments through rigged product standards and testing, politicized courts and agencies that almost always favor local companies, creative and selective enforcement of WTO requirements ... The list goes on.

The foreign business community in China has deep respect and affection for the Chinese people and their hard-earned success. But more than a few foreign business leaders are asking themselves if they have been bamboozled by the system. Multinationals have been solid citizens in China, handing over heaps of capital, technology, training, source code, best practices and proprietary products to joint-venture partners they were forced into bed with. They have funded schools, orphanages, disaster reconstruction, overseas scholarships and all manner of poverty-alleviation programs. But now that the China market matters more to them, it appears that China couldn't care less. Increasingly difficult China-market access is the immediate worry. But many are looking ahead and losing sleep over expectations that their onetime partners are morphing into predators — and that their own technology and know-how will be coming back at them globally in the form of cut-price products from subsidized state-owned behemoths.

At the same time, I have also seldom seen the Chinese government and business community more unsettled and uncertain. Theirs is an arrogance borne of insecurity. The global financial chaos and China's rocketing global status threw off the meticulous national development schedules carefully crafted by the risk-averse and surprise-allergic engineers who run the Party.

The pressures on Chinese President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao are overwhelming. They are white-knuckling their way through their final two years in office, focusing on 8% or higher growth and crushing any dissent that could derail it. The Chinese people are generally pretty happy, but the Party leadership is terrified of their outsized expectations. People under age 40, the progeny of the one-child policy, didn't live through Maoist poverty and upheaval. They are pampered, impatient and demanding. They consider exponential growth as a basic benchmark of life, and access to information to be a civil right. China's rich are powerful opponents of further reform and opening. They made money the local way and are determined to block foreign competition so this can continue.

In their spare time, China's leaders are reaching under the carpet to tackle the country's endemic corruption, epidemic pollution, emaciated health care, shredded social services, entrenched industrial overcapacity and swiftly aging population, to name a few. They have little remaining bandwidth, and no experience or desire to be the visionary and magnanimous world leaders who can look beyond China's own often desperate needs that the world wants them to be.

So both Chinese and non-Chinese have legitimate challenges and understandable phobias. Google is just a proxy in this intensifying dispute. It's really about rebalancing the economic and political dynamic between China and the developed world, with the U.S. as the key negotiator for the West. It won't be easy. China and the U.S. are past masters at blaming their domestic policy failings on outsiders. Finger-pointing politicians and chest-beating nationalists in the two nations will make rational discussion nearly impossible. Yet it is time for leaders on both sides of the Pacific to lift their heads above overwhelming domestic concerns and fix China's deteriorating relationship with foreign business and the developed world before things get out of control. One thing's certain: they won't find the answers through Google.

[hcym]

无论是baidu还是 google，谁提供事实真相我就用谁，真理万岁，自由万岁。
中国政府很独裁，这是不争的事实。

不怕不识货，就怕比

肯定比国民党更不是东西

[yaoms]

新闻板块是公开的，不要谈论政治话题为好吧

[cppking]

大陸的憤青及五毛黨經常不知道一個常識：

在成熟的資本主義民主國家，只有公民尤其是大企業大財團影響甚至直接在控制政府，而不是中國這種政府影響商業。

美國在這一點上和中國也是完全相反的，在美國只有Google影響美國政府來做事的分，而不是在中國－－政府指導企業。

精辟！！！
可怜那些被爱国主义冲昏头脑的人。当爱国和真理在一片离奇的天朝土地上竟然发生冲突时。我们需要热爱真理
盲目追随的人，只是一厢情愿罢了
女孩糟践你，你还追人家，溅～～～～

[wh_xiao]

谷歌重申不过滤搜索结果 做好停止中国业务准备
凤凰网财经讯 据新加坡联合早报11日报道，谷歌高层重申，做好停止在中国业务的准备，强调不会应中国要求过滤网站的搜寻结果。

谷歌副总裁黄安娜(NicoleWong)10日表示，如果中国要求谷歌必须审查网络搜寻结果，那么谷歌或将撤出中国这个全球人口最多的网络市场。

谷歌撤出中国事件成为外国媒体焦点已有一段时日。全国政协十一届三次会议新闻发言人赵启正日前就此事件表示，中国互联网是开放的，中国继续为外商创造良好的投资环境，保护其合法利益。赵启正说，2005年谷歌来中国考察时，做得很仔细，特别对于法律环境做了逐字逐句的了解。2006年正式进入中国的时候，谷歌对这些法律都有郑重的承诺。中国的互联网是开放的，中国欢迎包括国际互联网企业在内的各国投资者在中国开展业务，但也希望外国投资者尊重中国的公众利益、文化传统和中国法律，承担相应的社会责任。

[wh_xiao]

我真不明白要审查什么?

[陽光院景仁]

我真不明白要审查什么?

你用代理伺服器登入Google.com搜尋一些關鍵字，然後對比google.cn的搜尋結果資料就知道了。

[steventree]

个人观点是，要屏蔽那些关键字不能让政府关起门来决定，而应该由第三方通过公开和透明的方式来决定。
彻底屏蔽一个域名，不管有多少用户使用，不管经营的公司为此投入了多少的资金，
不管正当用途的用户和不正当用户的比例。都是一种过于蛮横的行为。
目前这样的做法，很严重的干扰了正常的网络生活。
很难接受Blogger和SourceForge被封锁几年的事实。
我个人在用Google的大多数服务，其中不少时候都受到了被屏蔽的状况。
在我看来，我深刻体会到了Google在中国的经营受到了阻碍和骚扰的事实。

对于GFW的关键字屏蔽，过多过滥的屏蔽充分的抑制了表达的自由。
诽谤为名的跨省抓捕行动也充分抑制了舆论监督的欲望。
让很多人养成了不加星号，说不出完整的话的习惯。
也很难想象，连一个讲育儿知识网站居然不能出现Rufang两个字。
常此以往，连医书上也需要用一连串的星号来带替人体器官不成。

站在这个立场上。我坚决支持Google不作恶，也不支持人作恶的立场。

PS:
Google.cn变成Google.com.hk之后发现一个有趣的事情。
Google.com.hk 搜索"江XX"这个关键字居然也被GFW屏蔽掉了。XX你知道是用哪两个字代替吧！
难道这个关键字也犯法了。。。。。。

－－－刚发现"江XX"这个关键字在论坛也是用框框代替的，汗！

[steventree]

个人觉得这个可能是Google 作出决定的一个重要因素:
http://www.google.com/prc/report.html